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tommy2tone

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This is the best ranking of teams that I have seen.

Class 4A
1. South Warren
2. Johnson Central
3. Ashland Blazer
4. Franklin Co.
5. North Oldham
6. Collins
7. John Hardin
tie)Scott
9. Hopkinsville
10. Bourbon Co.
Others receiving votes: 11, Shelby Co. 22. 11, Spencer Co. 22. 13, Franklin-Simpson 14. 14, East Jessamine 11. 15, Warren Central 6. 16, Martha Layne Collins 4. 17, Knox Central 2.

Funny Collins is in there twice. District 4 has 5 teams in the top 12...
I see 2 big 4A matchups this week. Warren Central & John Harding plus Spencer Co. & East Jessamine.

Any Comments?
 
I'd have trouble totally supporting it as the best ranks I've seen given the Collins error (unless that's on the paper that put out the AP poll), but it's pretty good. I personally think Bourbon County should be higher than that. They have a more impressive win (Southwestern) than several of those teams.
 
I don't know much about Bourbon. It appears to me that they have a pretty soft schedule ahead of them except for Madison Cent this week and a District championship decider against Scott.
 
4A is a two horse race. South Warren & Johnson Central. I can see Bourbon as a sleeper. They beat a very good Southwestern team. A team who will take some lumps early, but could very well make a deep run in the playoffs is Knox Central. Keep an eye on them throughout the season.
 
4A is a far cry from a 2 horse race. I still think 4A West regional final will be for State Championship.
 
Possibly, I know nothing about Collins. Upsets can happen, but I just don't see anyone in the west beating SW and I don't see anyone in the east beating JC.
 
Anything can happen and you are right, JC should win the east if they are who they say they are.
 
Yes, they still can. This week will paint the picture a lot cleaner.
Still say the winner of 4 or maybe all of dist 4 will beat district 3.
 
Big game this week in District 2 as Franklin-Simpson hosts Warren Central in a game that will more than likely determine the #2 seed in the District.
 
I'll be shocked if Coach Stephens and the Dragons do not beat Franklin-Simpson, even on the road.
 
tommy2tone said:
Guess I was right. Must have been some second half.
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In a lot of ways, they absolutely shouldn't have won. Most people would typically say if you trail by 18 at any point and 11 entering the 4th you should probably lose. You damn sure should never manage to get a first down after a 3rd and 40. But they made great adjustments in the second half on both sides of the ball. They opened up the passing game and once they got back in it, went back to the run. By that point, they'd worn down Central's line that was going both ways, and they could not remotely stop the Wildcats by then. Huge win for Franklin.
 
How in the sam heck did they convert a 3 and 40..Heard about that...
WC should be ashamed of that one and sounds as if that play was the turning point of the game.
 
I'm not one to normally take credit away from a team. However, converting a 3rd and 40 is usually associated with 1 of 2 things. Either 1, the offense got lucky. Or 2, the defense completely choked. Either way, FS got the win. Sometimes the better team does not win the game. This is one of those cases.
 
tommy2tone said:
How in the sam heck did they convert a 3 and 40..Heard about that...
WC should be ashamed of that one and sounds as if that play was the turning point of the game.
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I shouldn't make it sound like it was on a single play, though you still shouldn't give it up. On third down, Central played to keep everything in front of them, and Franklin gained 17 yards to make it a more manageable 4th and 23. That also changed the field position enough to where it didn't make sense to punt. On 4th down Central got good pressure on the QB, but he got it away. The receiver was tackled about half a second before the ball got there for pass interference. The killer on that one was, it was not at the sticks. Probably more than 5 yards from the sticks, maybe even up to 8. That's just a mental lapse, you don't interfere on a 4th Down play that isn't even at the sticks. That made it 4th and 8 from around the 19. And on that play, Central again was called for interference, though that was incorrectly called. They ran a guy over the middle while the QB rolled the other way. He got knocked down before the ball was thrown (by about a second). I don't know what that is, but it isn't pass interference - but I think it is some penalty (there is no illegal contact in HS, so I don't know what). Regardless, that was the call, and it was a first down. They scored on the next play.
 
The play mentioned above was a close one. Watching stop action the ball was barely out or the QB just as the first contact was made with the receiver. Contact with the receiver wasn't incidental either. He got put on the ground. Take a receiver out like that in high school right in front of an official and then the ball sails by....you got pass interference. Don't call it and you better have an escort out of town.
 
Even in stop-action/slow-motion, it's not close. Jewell hip checked him before the QB even cocked his arm. Hip checked him right into the official, who actually may have been the one to put him all the way to the ground. I agree, it's a penalty of some sort, I only disagree that it's pass interference by what I've read in the rules. The rules say that it's not PI if the ball hasn't left the QB's hand. It hadn't. But really, it's splitting hairs. SOMETHING happened, I just don't know what you call it.

The fact remains, neither one was committed at a spot that would have been a first down. The second one, he might have caught it where it would have been, but the first one, Ford simply needed to wait for him to catch it and tackle him, and that would have been that. It was a serious mental lapse that couldn't be afforded.
 
Central gave up 255 total yards in the second half. 205 on the ground. Average yds/play 7.97.

Warren Central had a total offense of 144 yards in the second half. 59 of those yards came after falling behind 36-25 with under two minutes left in the game.

Central has some really good players and athletes. The Dragons were gassed. What's the problem? Three coaches in three years and a really weird redistricting to accommodate South Warren. I lived that three coaches in three years, that's a program killer. When your guys are gassed and the coach looks around for backups and they aren't there, you're in trouble.
 
Wildcat_18 said:
I'm not one to normally take credit away from a team. However, converting a 3rd and 40 is usually associated with 1 of 2 things. Either 1, the offense got lucky. Or 2, the defense completely choked. Either way, FS got the win. Sometimes the better team does not win the game. This is one of those cases.
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From an outsider looking in that was at the game, the best TEAM won the game. To win games like this you have to have discipline, stamina, and heart. FS showed all of these in the 3rd and 4th qtr. Congrats to the cats, they won the game the officials didn't. The two pass interference calls were the right calls too. They had no choice to throw those flags.
 
I agree with Wildcat 18 on SW and JC. John Hardin should be ranked number 3 IMO.
 
Dang Hoss, you are even over here preaching JH #3....
I think spencer has shown they just might be #3...will find out for sure next 2 weeks about them.
 
We will get a hint about JH that last game of the year when Christian County visits.
 
I don't think JH at #3 is that clear. They're in the mix because 4A is as weak as it is, but #3 isn't being given and it sure isn't being taken. It's up for grabs to about 4-5 different teams.
 
In my opinion, there are 6-8 teams in lower classes who would easily be #3 in 4A right now. It's not a given to me that your 4A #3 could drop down to 3A and be a top 5 team. 3 through 10 is a toss-up anyway you want to spin it.
 
You can say that about any Class except 1A because there is no 0A.

There are teams in lower classes that would be top ten or four in 6A. Bowling Green, Owensboro, and Pulaski Co. immediately come to mind.

What about Mayfield, Caldwell, and DeSales competing in higher classes?

On the other hand the consensus #1 in 4A is a 5A size school that I believe has a larger enrollment than the other 5A schools in Warren County.
 
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I'm not talking about being "top 10." I'm talking about the #3 ranked team in the class. It's easy to say top 10, #3 is a bold statement. The #3 team in a class should be in the running for the state championship regardless of class. That spot is wide open to anyone 4A or below. No one in that class is clear-cut following JC or SW.
 
I really don't think JC is either. It is coming down to S Warrens to loose. I am just not sold on the east teams. Now I do think there are a few teams that can give them a game and in this game, anything can happen. To me, the teams playing the tougher schedules have a chance to advance.
 
tommy2tone said:
I really don't think JC is either. It is coming down to S Warrens to loose. I am just not sold on the east teams. Now I do think there are a few teams that can give them a game and in this game, anything can happen. To me, the teams playing the tougher schedules have a chance to advance.
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Not sold on the east teams? The east has won the 4A state championship 7 out of the last 8 years after the last reclassification. What else does the east have to do to sell you their product in that class? If you're not sold by now, maybe you're just too tight with your cash. I call it drinking the west Kool-aid. The one win for the west for Collins was a pretty big upset and you'd be hard pressed to find someone who thought otherwise. I guess I don't understand where folks get that South Warren has been crowned. They're a very good team for this class and I would give them the defensive award out of all classes, but other than that, they don't really deserve anything other than a participation award for years past.
 
Have you ever seen Johnson Central play or are you just judging them based on your interpretation of their schedule?
 
How many of those east teams that won the 4A Championship were not called Highlands?

And how many east teams gave those Highlands teams any better game than they got in the finals?
 
And for your 2nd question...Highlands joined 4A in 2011. All 4 titles before Highlands and after the 2007 reclassification (after Trinity) went to east teams. So the post-Trinity era in 4A...1 west team has won the championship on an obvious upset. I would give the west teams in 4A very little credibility.
 
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